are glocks safe to carry chambered are glocks safe to carry chambered

Nov 11, 2010 (Edited) Dingus said: To gain confidence, do this: Take your G19 and holster to the range. When I was new to guns I bought a DA/SA pistol with safety/decocker because I lacked the confidence to go with a hot gun without the safety, never fell for the empty chamber myth as a safe way to carry, always thought it was a sure way to get killed.. Once I was confident enough, now I only carry a gun without a safety and it always has one in the pipe, always carried in a holster. A 2A focused forum that patronizes a troll like VLAD is as questionable as the NRA in its current form. Glock originally designed the gun with an exposed hammer and their marketing agent said are you joking no one in their right mind would buy such an unsafe weapon because they can see that the hammer is cocked back. Do not ever suggest they change a true classic. Come join the discussion about optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! Heres a news flash, ever since Adam and Eve ate the serpents apple were all fallible. The Glock handgun is the favored pistol of law enforcement agencies worldwide. I carry a 5 shot .357 magnum revolver a good deal of the time. And in my opinion , and this would be scary, Id bet my draw and cock against the draw rack the slide anytime. I want something that goes bang when I pull the trigger, and I could care less how heavy or gritty that might be. The pistol was designed to be carried with a round in the chamber with the safety on or off as your choice. Someone who wants to spend a couple thou on a gun should be more than willing to put the energy into learning how to use it safely. This subject is DOA just like the OP. Second Amendment to the US Constitution, "Get yourself a Glock and lose that nickel plated sissy pistol." I think they heard how bad its getting over here and want to provide a better place to be, so that TTAG will be left with nothing but trolls and snowflakes. Fairbairn and E.A. Also thank goodness I dont even have to make THAT choice. Still chambered in 9mm, the G19 measures 7.28-inches in total length. In the 1930's, W.E. 1) either way you do it it takes Training, 2) ya silly ass might forget to flip the safety an fire so there is you 3 seconds, 3) the bullet may not fire, in which case you have to chamber anyway. On a range or match gun, OFC, my choice is different. IMO, anyway. 19th century Colt hammers. Apply the 21 foot rule. But, OFC, the current crop of TTAG writers are kept too busy chasing sponsors to look up the meaning and physics of the things theyre writing about. Those stances, their great for cops and competition but IMO bot so great in a gunfight up close. Will again once they are old enough to figure out crapping ones pants is a bad idea. As for me on striker fired Im sure they are just as safe as any other design I just like to see whats going on, . It is also the choice of many Canadian cops services. I dont have to hit a bypass cause its cocked, or turn off a safety, just pump and fire. Fuck off gov. Love the Quigly Down Under reference. There are no Glock negligent discharges *without* the word *negligent* in the incident description. I still counted 16, but when he starts fanning it gets a little hard to keep track. Note, the sentry safe does have a security vulerablity that can be mitigated by covering a hole with stainless steel tape. What Glock Is Most Used By Law Enforcement; Who Makes The Glock 22 Its an unsafe design from 2 aspects, the fact that it acts much like a single action weapon with the hammer cocked back and no manual safety and it has a totally unsafe asinine take down system. NO - any responsible gun owner should have some reservation until enough information has been provided. Have you ever negligently turned down the wrong way of a one way street? The IDF has quit carrying with a round chambered. Also, that gun will then give you a second try at any round that fails to fire the first time. On TTAG anyone can use any name at any time, and that makes it really confusing. Confused fool. A safety is much easier to manipulate than a slide though. It's a little bullet with a decent velocity, but will it actually fill the freezer? No, but itll do the job in almost all instances. Or tell them to carry only 5 bullets instead of six??. I really, really wish the powers that be could find someone to get this comment section to work right. Usually for at least an hour or so. Agreed. We keep our mouths shut, myob, and avoid praising glocks. So the trigger pull is utterly irrelevant *if* you are paying attention to your firearm which you should be doing, again, with *any* firearm. or not. Nothing is more dangerous than a little knowledge. In reality, the 1911 with only the grip safety would be as safe or safer than the Glock. This site is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com. PS: I have never had an ND with my EDC G23 chamber loaded these past 22 years. but Glocks are safe to carry. In that book, they suggest that the proper way to carry a semi . Just old school geeze, too used to doing the hard chit the same way, but it worked for me. In practice? Perfect for everyday carry, the compact Glock 43 is a popular concealed carry option chambered in 9mm. Now getting older, I have trouble with body positions for competitions, so I dont enter very many club competitions anymore. He thinks one big long post thats all one sentence is not a mistake. When it didnt open the first time, your brain clicked again to make sure, often without one even knowing they did so. You would probably be more likely to survive in a Banzai charge. But in any case, the inertia must lie directly in line with the round, and then the round must stop suddenly, like when the muzzle hits the ground. (I dont think any of us are going to try to pocket carry a 1911 or a Glock 17.). Please note, comments must be approved before they are published. Or would it it take more movement of the slide to do that before an impact could trigger potential discharge? No external safey, DA trigger that goes bang when you pull it.. Ever have your computer go slow for a second, but then it opens two(or more) of whatever you clicked on? Muscle memory is a life saver when things go adrenaline slow MO mode, and those Taurus, PT-111s, have that thumb safety where Im used to one being, the pipe is red hot, and, eyeball to eyeball, it will fire again without re-racking the rear sights on someones nose. My home defense guns are locked and loaded ready to go. Wonder why guns are the most logical option? 1; 2; Next. Usually I just get to see Colt SAAs with 16 chamber cylinders. Haha. Widen your horizons. When I go out without my kids I rack the slide. 3.Is it Safed to Carry a Glock With one in the Chamber - Gun Tradition. It takes a dedicated squeeze of the finger. Smh. Safe and ready when I am. Um. Anyone who believes otherwise is delusional. Pray the opponent was just carrying a Taser and not a knife. I notice that you had to go look it up though. Back in the old days of guns, they didn't really have any safety at all. Same here. We can put a bullet thru the eye of a bunny sitting still but its hard to get a head shot when its running, us being the bunny. If the slide goes back far enough to be out of battery, then the gun will just fire out of battery. They make it look soooo easy in the movies! Is it safe to carry a round in the chamber? (Some chance remains, of course, given extraordinary circumstances that can be described but have statistically no chance of happening.). Why, I havent the slightest idea. Carrying On An Empty Chamber. So you are in reality arguing that if someone makes a *negligent mistake*, the Glock is more likely to discharge than another firearm. The Glock 17 is a full-size pistol that is chambered in 9mm. Kaboom he shot himself as he sat there at the dinner table. So Move. Are Glocks Safe To Carry Chambered. While the bad guy is picking up the decoy gun and trying to shoot you with it, you draw your real piece with a round loaded. Ever. I keep hearing the words with proper training, like that is the Holy Grail! A few overly trigger-happy officers within a department and a sly PR department really spun yarns on this one. In fact, it uses S&W Shield Plus magazines. People that just cant accept what someone else wants to do compared to what they feel is best for them smacks of their insecurity.. It is generally safe to carry a Glock with a round in the chamber, as long as the user follows proper handling and safety protocols. There are lots of better choices out there than the glock. The 223/5.56 is the most common centerfire rifle cartridge in the US. On paper? Practice your procedure till it becomes a natural reaction without thinking.You will have other things that must be accessed in those fractions of a second. Its your right to self defense. There is an old article in the LA Times and National Intrest that claims Glocks are accident-prone and overly dangerous pistols. I now carry without it, with one in the pipe. Anything is possible, which is why the smart move is to play to the best probabilities. Didnt fire..interesting. Some might even have second strike capability, which is the real holy grail. Just the same as the guy thumbing the safety off, he will beat me. Well, except for that ad hominem attack, anyway. Ive been known to knock over a glass of milk , spill my coffee down my chin , have people toot their horn at me from time to time , you get my point . Glock came up with this and called it the 'Glock Safe Action Trigger'. Use whatever gun you want. Whats the big deal? What I meant was: As all who have examined a REGULAR single action revolver, like a Colt SAA or the old three screw Rugers before the transfer bar, would know. Back in the old days of guns, they didnt really have any safety at all. Only, dumb guys wouldnt understand that. Yep, if you havent actually ever been in a gunfight before you can shut the f#*k up about what or how I carry. But in my house, in the middle of the night, what do I care about 50 yard accuracy or the ability to knock over a steel plate or knock a bowling pin off a table? Note the flat(ish) hammer. For all those terrified at Condition One semi-autos, a percentage carried hunting shotguns afield for upland game and waterfowl every one with the . And so easy to correct. A loaded Glock is a little more dangerous than a striker with a heavier trigger and when you carry a missile behind the hammer and like a lite trigger , like I do , I advise people to carry a thumb safety , like I do . The New York Trigger as it became known had an 8-pound trigger pull. If you cant respect the power and danger of an automobile why would you think you could be trusted with a firearm at all let alone one without a safety? And being that I am a Veteran the simple act of 1 second as I draw is a negligible amount of time just like the BS of you can only have a 10 round magazine but you can carry as many magazines as you like try it one day drop a mag change it takes less than 3 seconds. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Glocks have a blade in the trigger that is very light so that if the pistol is dropped, the inertia of the fall will not pull the trigger ( as the pistol is partially cocked). I have four. And therefore only idiots use it. The Israelis do it because they had to come up with a training procedure that worked for all their soldiers, including those that dont know which is the end that goes bang. For those afraid of carrying cocked and locked or striker-fired guns, the XD-E is a better choice than chamber-empty carry. (Take that, NYPD!) I do carry that way, however, with my 1911. The Glock trigger is too light and too short to be safe, and I understand Glocks are way far overrepresented in the annals of ND, which is very easy to understand. There we go. Its a toughy. The driving analogy is a good one, because we drive so much (most of us, anyway). I could give you many other identical examples of Glocks going off while the owner wore them or handled them. Are Glocks Safe To Carry Chambered. For me I often carry without one in the chamber, like when I am in the woods doing stuff. Like what would happen if the gun was dropped, and then lands on its muzzle. All previous exp., was with 1911s my Uncle names Sam loaded me, and the pipe was always warm n cuddly. Not a bad plan. See? In the past, I've heard people say they aren't comfortable carrying a loaded firearm on them or want to just scare people away. on second thought I dont wanna know. But ready to goI still havent figured out a light for the AR(its EZ to hold small flashlight for a pistol). A 16 year old In drivers ed may not be very experienced nor skilled, but at least in my day, was paying more attention than a driver more familiar with driving. So whats up? Over at gunssavelives.net, Dan Cannon has unearthed the SAFE-DRAW system for GLOCK brand GLOCK pistols.SAFE-DRAW gives the Austrian-born pistol an initial 17 pound trigger pull. The end result is the same, but the means to that end are directly opposite in how they function. The 43 chambered for the 9x19 cartridge, along with its immediate predecessor the .380 caliber Model 42, were not the . While millions of Americans keep and/or bear GLOCKs and GLOCK-like striker-fired pistols without mishap, mishaps do sometimes occur.Let's face it: the average gun owner has lousy trigger discipline. The Series 80 was a solution in search of a problem ie, it was created by lawyers. For that matter, I dont take seriously anyone who carries a revolver for self-defense. When suddenly a rabbit rushes out of the brush, I sometimes forget to switch off the safety. *, Keep your damn finger out of the trigger guard until your sights are on a target you intend to shoot and you should be training to do that automatically *even* while under stress. I have these 2 hidden and had mounted in my house. I home carry, but as far as pistol lockboxes go, I recommend the Fort Knox (top opening lid) and the Sentry Safe with biometric lock (also has a key and keypad). I submit extremely unlikely. the number of people out there who keep a single-action revolver as a home defense or self-defense gun is likely negligible., Not to mention that those idiots have no right to expect anyone to take them seriously. That photo of the safe is cute, if completely patronizing to those who make the kids argument. Modern handguns are designed to be carried with a loaded chamber. Guns in my bigger safe are in condition 3 (AR rifles and defensive shotguns), except for my SAA revolvers are empty as I dont consider them as a defensive weapon (my hunting rifles and shotguns are empty too), mainly because both have 8 1/2 barrels and were used for silhouette shooting when I was younger. I could carry Israeli style, I suppose, and draw-and-rack if it comes to that, but I just saw a training video in which a woman carrying Israeli style would have been killed by a knife had the attack been real. The engineer who designed a take down system whereby the slide has to be forward and you have to pull the trigger must have on that day tripped out on LSD. Why would you do that more in a Glock than in *any other firearm*? There are also the safety concerns . Open range is a good movie and as far as the other guys standing there in real life its called shock value I did love the the fact Costners six shooter magically self loaded. An insignificant cretin crying for attention in a world that has left him far, far behind. Negligence or stupidity, flip the coin on word choice. I have a CCW and am carrying the Glock in a Galco Stow-n-Go IWB holster. Considering the odds of handling a particular weapon every day for years or possibly the rest of your life hoping to never have a brain fart in the process, and many people wisely choose another option. (AgCatJHS at English Wikipedia [Public domain], via Wikimedia Commons)Here we have a conundrum. The graveyards are full of former motorcycle riders and Glock users. Each brand-new model enhanced the pistol and its functions. Did dad work for a local Florida PD not to be named? A number of gun companies still produce single-action revolvers. It's offered in a wide range of cartridges, from .22LR to the .357 Magnum. I think the controversy is whether or not a loaded magazine with an empty chamber constitutes an unloaded gun. I will still carry unchambered. Holstered the Glock like that into kydex holster. If you forget to check the chamber just one time in you life its Sayounara . A few weeks went by & I realized I was safe. Do u know what the 21 foot rule is? And unlike Mad, I DO make mistakes. They like it this way. as for being out in public goes if somebody gets the drop on me with a knife or firearm at super close range i figure that im only going to be 50/50 on that anyway Because that argument is stupid in the first place, because the entire discussion is about *carrying* not about whether you should carry. Answer (1 of 104): For me. Mad about covers it. Ive dropped a loaded Glock once, actually the only pistol Ive ever dropped in my life. People that just cant accept what someone else wants to do compared to what they feel is best for them smacks of their insecurity. Many striker/plastic pistols, like the S&W Sygma, have actual DA triggers, that do not use glocks UN safe-action trigger scheme. Like a handgun, the defensive long gun should be secured in a safe or one of the wall-mounted quick-access locks. When the handgun is retrieved, the mag is shoved in and the gun is ready to fire. And I do not carry them ever. Police departments across the country mocked the NYPD for their accusations and understood that its both trigger happy officers and training issues that lead to problems like that.Glocks two-part trigger is one piece of their internal safety features. If you try to have a healthy debate its always 100% of the time NOTHING but internet people telling other internet people that their particular opinion is wrong. I actually think thats worth a healthy debate and article all on its own. Every time I drive. Unlikely. The Sig 320 problem was that it had an internal block but dropping (or smacking it with a hammer) could make the trigger move to disengage the firing pin block. Please consider creating a . An empty chamber is worthless when you need it and fractions of a second count. Glock is known for its proprietary barrel design which is said to provide a better seal between the bullet and barrel, allowing less propellant gas leakage and less bullet deformation. I think it's more about . We can talk about home carry vs guns hidden in various locarions in the house. Maybe you should just use a spork. Yes - I always carry with a round chambered. Of course, when I was a soldier, I listened to guys who had been there. The odds are not in favor of the added time it takes to try and chamber a round, let alone the stress of a real situation. Not too long ago, we posted an article (by me!) I carry a LC9, no problem. However, that may be the reason I carry a revolver, but the reason I carry a gun (as I said) is because ITS MY GODDAMN RIGHT. Weve beaten this dead horse enough. A little background: When Israel was founded, "drop safe" firearms were not as common as today and the fledgling state had a mixed bag . Excuse me, but the inventor of the Linebaugh cartridges and custom gunsmith in Powell Wyoming is JOHN Linebaugh. 4 under extreme stress you may short stroke it. If you cant train yourself to keep your finger off the trigger until you have made the decision to shoot any gun is dangerous in your hands. You should always carry with a round chambered. The Glock if it came under the Governments Consumer Safety Council would never have been allowed on the market. Some extras, just in case one breaks? Second, they also trained. Not an appreciable amount of time. Even though they dont have safety, Glocks are not prone to negligent discharge and are completely safe to carry when done properly. Thats a lot more true to life (in my admittedly inexperienced opinion) than most movies, especially westerns. Do you supposes THIS guy knows the six letter word for a firearms dangerous end? Carry it in your home in the holster you're going to use in public, without a round in the chamber, but with the striker in the ready position or "cocked" and see if you have an issue with the trigger being pulled.