Interesting that you. The attacker could have taken the photos to confuse the authorities and the public. Who said there werent any scratches on the bones? It is the morning of April 8th. Only a handful of the pictures retrieved from the memory card showed clear images, with most showing near-complete darkness. why couldnt they just destroy the phone all together, break it beyond repair and leave it in the backpack. (who knows why). Since they were two young women from Europe, I can easily see the possibility that they offended the wrong man. Ive written about dozens of stories involving incompetence of law enforcement in disappearance cases. Sheer incompetence. Image 505 is actually the last image before the night photos. She is obviously excited by the weird place they have found. Its very disappointing to see the comment sections on this website to be allowed to turn into a very disrespectful and unfunny joke. Ive been into crime shows lately and my husband says I should be an investigator because Im obsessed. Although it might be the sun that gives her face a strange expression. Like you, I also live abroad in a developing country. I could go on and on. A well-worn path. Not everything is a complex conspiracy, people. It is almost as if they are deliberately not to tell anything rather than the much speculated something. Im curious. They talk as if it would be difficult to branch off the trail, but maybe they did not notice other paths that could have been taken? After the attempted calls, the phones stayedon for some time. As we all know, hitting delete never actually deletes files therefore overwriting the files is the only effective method to cleaning old data. Perhaps the women were lured there to be shown something. Thanks for sharing this info. https://u.cubeupload.com/beavermatic/KrisKremersFullPhoto.jpg, Her hands are not tied behind her back! Btw, phones will connect to emergency services with or without sim card being present. The FBI and others have continuously tried to stonewall him from publicly making these cases and their bizarre circumstances publicly known. All facts are not available in this case. Maybe a struggle or fall? Thanks and cheers. Not getting any fingerprints looks suspect. I implore those who are intrigued by this to read his books. You need to be a Photoshop wizard of substantial level to even attempt this and it would take absolute ages. Update Dec 2, 2021: The full-resolution version of this photo was released in 2021. If it is not possible to join those two points together then that would at least shine light on the possibility that a third party was involved at some point leading to the appauling possibility that they genuinely were lost for some time (until the 5th?) The students' phone records also tragically revealed how they desperately tried to call the police. Jalisco authorities have launched an investigation in connection with the enforced disappearance of four tourists. In all, the State Department says that in 2013 and 2014, a . It is clear they contributed much to this by their actions. They got lost and succumbed to the wild. Cats are often seen as pests and scavengers which is unfortunately why many people use poison to kill local cats. On the original, her face doesnt look like that at all. After the alarm was raised on April 2, a search party was sent to look for them but nothing was found until ten weeks later when a local woman who found Froons blue backpack turned it in to authorities. Ive met a few people that have maintained their pet in the same way as we do in the USA. He goes down some intriguing avenues which while I may not agree with either the direction or point have value because they stimulate me to think. The grimace on Kris face is because she is in pain. From my understanding, there was no warning signs on the trail. I think this has been added to hide the fact that Kris was not wearing boots, as this was a shot of her from somewhere else and superimposed on the jungle scene. But arent there the subsequent photos of Kris Kremers crossing the stream and so the developments may have occurred after this picture 505? The guide had something to do with the girls disappearance. The backpack being found with all its contents including money and not even dirty let alone wet after weeks of constant rain-found a day after the area was checked. I look forward to learning more and you do valuable humane work helping other young adventurers. It would also show that the photos had been truly messed about with, as this one is supposed to come before the photos of her crossing the stream. I was looking at the photographs again and something caught my eye. So why did they go on a trip on April 1st? After this, can ANYONE IN THIS WORLD still doubt that this girl WOULD NOT HAVE WRITTEN OR PHONED HER MOTHER FOR TWO WEEKS when she also called the police 100 times? One of them probably fell got hurt, a local found them said they would help and well they didnt help they killed them and dumped in River knowing the river would remove any evidence. The girls went for a swim in a rock pool. Ive been to Brasil and the Amazon and spent nights there in the rain with a crowd though. Therefore we cannot conclude that a dog was even with them. Most disappearance cases dont get such publicity, so you can imagine how much less effort goes into them. Hi Marie, Theres no evidence that points to the dog being with them. Indeed it does not even accidentally appear. Each year, around 30,000 people are reported missing in Australiaone person every 18 minutes. Hi Chris! Watch Lost in the Wild Season 1 Episode 1. Dutch Women Who Went Missing in Panama Confirmed Dead - NBC News I would think they had to be pretty far into the jungle to have come across that slat roof structure. Someone called her so she turning to look at them. Do the additional photos reveal anything more? Years later, some people still believe someone killed the pair. Who would do this, and why? After days reviewing the evidence, Im now going to share a synopsis of what I believe happened there in the deep, dark cloud forest of Panama. The whole scene is odd why is Lisanne (if it was her) standing miles away? It looks as though she has a mouse under her right eye. Most travelers that have big experiences want to remember the small details of trips, because the trip represents an important memory in their life. When a bad break happens at ankle level and the body decomposes and gets scavenged once the flesh and muscle is gone the foot and shoe are separated from the rest of the leg. Youre asking why didnt they try to call a friend or family member WHEN THEY COULDNT EVEN GET A SIGNAL TO THE POLICE? These other comments are just people seeing what they want to see, to make things more mysterious. From Chriss other article it seems the girls took a taxi to the hiking starting point? When I look at the picture I think I can see both her arms. Cheers. Keep in mind, these are my observations Ive made since moving from the USA. Why are you not sharing their photo number, why are you stating generalities, let me help you, there is a link with all the photos https://koudekaas.blogspot.com/2019/12/the-disappearance-of-kris-kremers-and_11.html The pair had been hiking around the jungle for two weeks as part of a backpacking trip - and they were planning to stay for another four weeks with their host family to volunteer at a local school. Panama: Seven young people killed on trip to Gatn Lake This whole incident is the stuff of horror movies and very chilling, even if it was an accident. 3. If you read the article linked, its not even an indigenous tribe. Nobody is safe. After the backpack was found the family got to see the pictures and the case was ruled an accident presumably the 30 or so pics the family didnt release showed the girls in bad shape,, the case went from foul play to accident after the pics were seen.. the pic of the girls hair was put on internet by her brother or something like that and was quickly photoshopped , the wound and eye were concealed. Curious if people have found these specific locations and done some extensive testing and exploring in those and surrounding areas? Kris en esta foto, tiene sus manos atrs, que podran estar atadas o esposadas . The group of 13 youngsters - nine from Coln province and four who were visiting from Panama City - left on Friday morning to go swimming in Gatn Lake. Yes! Could the red object be a bird? The students from Amersfoort in the Netherlands had spent six months planning their dream trip to Panama, hoping to spend some time backpacking, volunteering and learning Spanish. The dog ran away and they followed it into the woods to try to get it back? (The photos where the sky is suddenly cloudy). Note the shadow across her face , covering her eyes: that is from her hand. Do you think this could be at all relevant? The 2020 cristian massacre was committed by a couple of men who were definitively altered in their state and heard voices etc. People have been there. There are so many possibilities and we will probably never really know. Perhaps this was a cave hang-out spot used by local teenagers. On April 1, the 21-year-old and 22-year-old went for a walk through the scenic forests around the Baru Volcano in Boquete. Looks like shes holding her hand up to shield her eyes. However, when theres monetary interests involved, especially within key industries I give those ulterior motives some weight and consideration. We have no way of knowing if somebody tried to unlock the phone but failed. So its kind of curious that the most critical images are either cropped or missing entirely. Much, much more revealing. Not in the third world. But she is definitely on a well-worn path. The red and black objects look like bolt cutters or tree cutter. Do you or anyone else that you know of have any idea where in Panama this photo was taken? Thats perplexing to me. The backpack contained sunglasses, a camera, two cell phones,money,two bras, Froon's passport, and a water bottle. Perhaps Kris fell first and Lisanne heard her scream and running in fell herself. Its a complex topic. It could help shed more light onto the possible answer to the mystery. They want to protect their tourism industry but they also dont have the resources to effectively stop gang violence. Its very interesting that the dog is not clearly visible in any of the pictures. The overriding input is human. This basically kills the idea of living in Panama on permanent tourist status. Accordingly, Kremers's phone was powered-on one last time on April 11, 2014; both phones wentdead afterward. She also is DEFINITELY looking to the right of the person with the camera (presumably Lisanne). To Jane I just gave the brief overall story of what I think happened. Nonsense. For other inquiries, Contact Us. The women wanted to see as much of Boquete as possible,hiring a guide to showthem around on April 2, 2014. In fact the last 4 (pre-nightime) photos are at odds with the others. Looks like 2 blurred out people one talker than other behind her over her left shoulder or her left when looking left of pic. Thank you, Sue. 1. The dog wasnt in any photos, nor were the girls photographed after their disappearance. Fortunately, I have that ability. Lets try one more time then (and please dont censor this, even if you think that it is not pretty murders rarely are! While posing with sticking out your tongue means for a Dutch native you found something disgusting, especially while simultaneously closing your eyes. Kris walks down the ravine and bends over to examine orange graffiti Its texture and color seemingly resembles the red bag tied to the SOS stick on the rock later on, imo. Auto Reset and Continuous. This is relevant because if the camera was on Auto Reset and 509 was deleted before 510 was taken, then the camera would use image 509 again. if you break your ankle in a fall and die your foot is likely to be found IN the shoe as is what happened. It will be interesting to see where the photos were actually taken. They were obviously following a trail, and most trails are made by humans, so human presence would be expected, I think. I really hope the girls rest in peace and that nobody goes through this ever. Why? Does anyone know what the orange string is on the left of the photo? I think shes frightened, Not only does it look like her hands are tied behind her back,but if you zoom in on just her,her expression does not look happy at all,and she is looking off to somewhere beside the camera,she isnt even looking at the camera,and there appears to be blood in her hair on both sides of her head and her hair is clearly a mess.maybe this photo was taken after their captured, possibly by whoever captured them. You see the pattern to the left and right of her arm. Hence the bras and everything safely stacked in the backpack together both girls sunglasses and both girls phones (otherwise each girl would be carrying her own phone). This was either something catastrophic or a developing situation due for example to them getting lost. Happy reading! She is clearly shielding her eyes from the sun by holding her right arm up. Hi Carin, thanks for your comment. Nothing. Theres some orange with white dots. I think this was a setup for the 2 girls from the beginning. Between taking the last foto (Nr 508) at 12:54 local time and the first SOS call at 16:39 local time something happened. The timing of the photos is incorrect, the resolution of the photos was altered to remove detail (which is why the public only has poor quality photos) and sometimes the photos were different sizes/dimensions. Someone with darkish skin. Hope this was not a member of one of those mad religious sects that, over the years, have been torturing and killing people in Panama. Its not a very long trail and I think when they got to the end of the trail they made their really big mistake. He went into the girls room without police, he was involved with finding of the backpack, and also the bones. Problem with that is that you would think they would simply turn round once they realised. I wonder why the girls didnt do any text messages even if they never got through? Oliver, I just looked at your 1st link, and I can clearly see a human face in the red circle. Photoshopping is not hard to do nor is it very tactical as many have proposed here. Often, they. U.S. Travel Ban: This Is How It's Costing Europe Billions The people in Panama may be afraid to speak, but in Europe, the USA and other Central American countries there are pods of people still working on the case. Both were never seen again, The Sun reports. But we need to be careful about the information we have. At 2:50 they start walking up to what I believe is the location in this photograph, Not a cave but an old bridge you can see the railing and bridge post and there is a weird shadow to the left behind the railing. If someone had access to their phones, they might have deleted them. Patients often tell our staff about finding the corpses of people who have suffered fatal falls or drowned in swollen rivers. Guns are mostly for use in robberies, but these gangs prefer not to leave bullet holes its too obvious. https://photos.app.goo.gl/sLXepriuWAxz8t1R9 So, when locals look at you sideways as they glance, glare, or even stare at your shorts and sandals, do not be offended or surprised. Hi Chris, Very interested in your website! The illusion of her being tied and in distress is nothing more than that. But, Who took the photos on later dates? Kids in the area could have found the backpack and were just messing around with the camera. A desperate search for the students was launched, with rescue workers combing through the jungle and nearby villages. Kriss bones had unnatural traces of phosphorus. Could fishing line be being used to secure all this making it hard to see, & could that blue object on the ground be part of the roof device- step on it & it triggers it or something like that? Sometimes that is all that is found. Their story captivated me for some reason. Kris is sticking her tongue out in this photo. Id love to know if these pics exsist. I cant explain it but again it resembles so many of the bizarre cases which author and former cop David Paulides has brought (thousands of these similar events) right here in the US and Canada. All very different from the happy silly girlie pictures at the beginning. No way would I walk down that path. This is something I will surely investigate more and write about in the future. Easily done, I have done that myself several times. Highly probable. Agreed the thing on the tree trunk looks man made but even if it is it is not sinister. How certain are we that they started at the trail head as we are told? If it is a photo-op, why is Kris not waving her hands or something. Solvable: yes; but with each year that goes by less likely. People in developed countries often have a more ideal view of what a pet represents. What people are mistaking as blood from her nose and lip is again just a shadow cast from her nostril and lower lip due to the bright sun. I think whoever was behind the (likely) murders wanted it to seem like they went missing due to being lost on the pianista trail. From 508 onward. According to Wisconsin Sen. Tammy Baldwin's office, the U.S. Coast Guard provided Panamanian authorities with technical modeling to support the search for the aircraft. Our team is planning to go to Panama later this year (2021) to collect information involving the case. Instead, they think What words can I say to make my local population feel better? After all, locals elect these same authorities. But in numerous case there are adverse priorities that lead to incompetence in disappearance investigations. Theres A red plastic bag above Kris in a tree to her left. A serious accident.immediategetting lost just building panic. They took a swim before the trip with to local young man the same day they went in the forest. Nothing more sinister than that. This is the real one: As for the night pics Im going to also throw this one out there and say the photos were heavily darkened to take away what was really there in view and then the spotty weather areas were added over including the rain drops. It is high noon and they have no way of telling which direction to go. Hi Chris, I agree that discussion should be civil but this comment section has turned into something which I consider to be absolutely ridiculous. Be careful. Theres so much conflicting information regardless of which theory is chosen. Lastly, I totally see animal pelts inside the structure. Would the girls really be so far apart in dense jungle? . It has to be her arm and hand that are blocking that part of her shirt. Hi Rune (and Stian), great points. Also the path looks to be a dried up river vs a man made path. (this was enhanced by an AI as someone who has studied this sort of thing professionally, explains some of the distortions and weird patterns in the photos leaves and vines, the AI distorted her face lol and it made it appear she has no arm from the elbow down). Kremers and Froon set out into the forest along thePianista Trail around 11 amon April 1, 2014,with only a backpack between them. Even if that had happened, the skeleton would have been more intact and scratch marks would have been found on the bones. Thanks for your interest in the case and providing some input. I think that the taxi driver knew who has killed them thats why sb killed him, the guide man who found the bones and their belongings can be the murderer and he was the person went to their room maybe to find the cable charge maybe pretending that he hadnt visited them on the reserved time, then he put their bag and money and camera for police because he was scared they search his house too, the locals heard screaming and then a crash (broken bones due to fall) in the jungle 4 days after their missing and warned about that to some french tourist, this article is long and I didnt sleep last night. Shortly after this, they became victims. Her face also appears to be heavily damaged, bruised and bleeding and her hair appears to have been pulled out and or cut as its sticking out in ways that dont seem normal for her ponytail.. In a mind-blowing theory, Dick Steffens, a former detective in Amsterdam, claimed Kris could still be alive after she was trafficked into the sex trade by a kidnapper roaming in the jungle. They were only 2 weeks into their trip and only on their 4th day in Boquete so they were innocents abroad and would have been broadcasting that to all who cared to look. Basically, theres a lot of government corruption and poverty as a result. I really feel that this place is the key to what happened to the girls. Kris Kremers, 21, and Lisanne. No dog. There is one thing I have wondered about, when did the dog leave them? Also, sometimes the investigations go dead because the government wants the story to go away in order for the tourist trade to not be hurt. El despus, es pnico y preocupacin. Its incredibly sad. Surely they would put them back on if only for a little insulation. Unfortunately we dont have a lot of answers to your questions. But without DNA samples, finger prints, etc, its hard to prove anything. The mans face is clearly visible standing behind the rock with the red bags. How Many Backpackers Go Missing In Australia Every Year